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#12325390 Apr 26, 2016 at 01:48 PM · Edited over 2 years ago
Colonel
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Finally I managed to enter the FGUK website and find the current EF2000 Typhoon version which also shoots missiles, I think that if developed well, it could be a nice addition to the OPRF aircraft list:

Up to 3.4: http://www.dropbox.com/s/jndhyetxu1lqoja/eurofighter.zip?dl=0

3.5 and above: http://www.dropbox.com/s/t2jshk6fgf7rcvl/eurofighter.zip?dl=0

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#12330103 Apr 27, 2016 at 08:07 PM
Captain
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Sorry, but please change the word "addict" in the previous post to "addition. These words mean very different things and the error will cause confusion.
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#12331275 Apr 28, 2016 at 04:37 AM
Colonel
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#12330103 SNOWY1 wrote:

These words mean very different things and the error will cause confusion.


Thanks for correcting me, I'm not a native English speaker so I do my best to speak and write as good as possible.
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#12355360 May 06, 2016 at 07:33 AM
Captain
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I have a copy of Kent Esbenshades F-106 here

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/43454121/The%20Boneyard/F-106A.tgz

The FDM needs some updating to newer JSBsim versions I think - even if it's not able to be used, the cockpit could be used as a reference as it's very good.

All I've done to it is enable it to be used under Rembrandt
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#12360619 May 08, 2016 at 09:30 AM
Colonel
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This would be a badass one to use instead of F-15s for enemy aircrafts:

https://github.com/Mercenary-Mercury/MiG-29_9-12

Mav
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#12362242 May 08, 2016 at 09:18 PM
Colonel
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I like that MiG-29A, I have used it a lot.
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#12363614 May 09, 2016 at 12:41 PM
Colonel
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#12362242 fb237 wrote:

I like that MiG-29A, I have used it a lot.


Personally I'm not a Russian-stuff lover, (except for the SU-34 and the Yak-130 which sometimes I enjoy flying), but I'd rather prefer to have also such OPFOR aircrafts in the Crew so when we make event like the DPRK one we won't shoot every time at our own, if you know what I mean.
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#12364848 May 09, 2016 at 08:43 PM
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#12355360 enrogue wrote:

I have a copy of Kent Esbenshades F-106 here



What license? What level of completeness? Is it JSBsim? Also, please see the manuals and documents at http://www.f-106deltadart.com/manuals_documents.htm for information about systems and some performance data.
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#12364946 May 09, 2016 at 09:24 PM
Captain
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It is JSB, but CC-BY-NC-SA licensed

The 3d model is a converted Alphasim model, so if you're following the spirit of the Alphasim request I think it needs to be NC, which by my reading is incompatible with the GPL (CC-BY-SA v4 is compatible with GPLv3 though)

As for completeness - compared to what? For a model thats a few years old it's pretty good, but nothing compared to the Viggen or F-15

It has an issue due to being an old JSB fdm though - like some other old jsb fdms (the fgaddon F-104, dave culps mirages) it doesn't appear to produce enough lift at altitude, so it flies at too high an alpha to gain enough speed to go much above mach 1 - try the fgaddon f-104c & you'll see what I mean

I keep meaning to go back through old fgfs versions to see if I can find out where it changed, but it's one of the many time consuming things on my todo list
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#12364995 May 09, 2016 at 09:42 PM
Captain
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Does there exist a good GPL F-106, aside from the clearly incomplete helijah one? How do I systematically find these aircraft if they are not on the official list?
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#12365006 May 09, 2016 at 09:49 PM
Captain
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One method might be to take the helijah 3d model as a base (its not bad), and replace the FDM with a JSBsim one - starting with aeromatic c++ & then taking the nasa data that richard posted to build a realistic FDM

We could ask Kent if we could reuse his cockpit & systems on helijahs model as a base - at worst he could say no, but he has allowed his work to be GPLed in the past (the F-104C is partially his work)
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#12370558 May 11, 2016 at 09:30 PM
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#12365006 enrogue wrote:

One method might be to take the helijah 3d model as a base (its not bad), and replace the FDM with a JSBsim one - starting with aeromatic c++ & then taking the nasa data that richard posted to build a realistic FDM

We could ask Kent if we could reuse his cockpit & systems on helijahs model as a base - at worst he could say no, but he has allowed his work to be GPLed in the past (the F-104C is partially his work)



Good ideas. Perhaps I will try them. At the moment, however, I am still learning the basics.
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#12371446 May 12, 2016 at 07:01 AM · Edited 2 years ago
Colonel
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I talked briefly about this on mumble, but we should definitely expand our aircraft inventory to include older generation aircraft, like the P-51D, Spitfire, and Bf-109G. It will hopefully attract more members, and show us all how far military aviation has come in over 100 years. What do you guys think?
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#12372068 May 12, 2016 at 12:45 PM · Edited over 2 years ago
Colonel
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#12371446 fb237 wrote:

I talked briefly about this on mumble, but we should definitely expand our aircraft inventory... What do you guys think?


For me expanding the aircraft inventory is fine. I hope that both EFA and MiG-29 could join the Crew soon (I'd love the F-16C... it's the tone I prefer the most). Who difficult it is to implement A/A and A/G on an aircraft from scratch? Because if it is not so complex I could have a go with the F-16 and others (F-22, Harrier, ...). Maybe I'll add the damage code to the CH-53E from FGUK so we'll have a large SAR heli.
Also, as soon as me and it0uchpods finish the KC-137R we will work on the AWACS and River Joint variants.
About older planes, well I don't know, it can be a good idea but it depends on what events can be planned with them. If we are able to have e.g. B-29, Spit, P-51, F-4U, ... and other nations similar planes we could plan nice events doable from Europe to the Pacific.
But before thinking about them, we should first of all expand the fleet in terms of "current" planes which can be used by anyone (tail draggers aren't that easy to fly, mind that I often use the Spitfire) and can be used for many purposes.
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#12372452 May 12, 2016 at 03:15 PM
Captain
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If we're going to do the F-16, can we base it on the JSB one - they have nearly identical 3d models (the FGUK yasim one was forked from the jsb one), and the JSB one has a very good FDM & a working AFCS (you can turn it off & see how really unstable the f-16 is)
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#12372460 May 12, 2016 at 03:19 PM
Colonel
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#12372452 enrogue wrote:

If we're going to do the F-16, can we base it on the JSB one - they have nearly identical 3d models (the FGUK yasim one was forked from the jsb one), and the JSB one has a very good FDM & a working AFCS (you can turn it off & see how really unstable the f-16 is)


If we use FGUK's model and all (with JSB) for me it's fine.

MiG-29 with damage code available here: https://github.com/JMaverick16/MiG-29_9-12
Mav
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Peace through superior AIRPOWER

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#12372597 May 12, 2016 at 04:07 PM · Edited over 2 years ago
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#12372452 enrogue wrote:

the JSB one has a very good FDM & a working AFCS (you can turn it off & see how really unstable the f-16 is)



That instability is actually a (unrealistic) huge advantage. You can be traveling at high speed, and then flip the plane in an instant and be facing backwards. There's all sorts of supermaneuverability that is unrealistic and would need to be accounted for (and possibly cause damage to the plane if performed).

The FG JSBsim F16 still needs a lot of work.
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#12372667 May 12, 2016 at 04:30 PM
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Talking about the F-16C: https://github.com/JMaverick16/F-16C
It includes basic damage code + Aviano AB and USAFE livery packs already inside.
Mav
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#12373942 May 13, 2016 at 01:59 AM
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#12371446 fb237 wrote:

I talked briefly about this on mumble, but we should definitely expand our aircraft inventory to include older generation aircraft, like the P-51D, Spitfire, and Bf-109G. It will hopefully attract more members, and show us all how far military aviation has come in over 100 years. What do you guys think?



If so, then users of the older aircraft will be quite alienated in modern scenario games, and players of modern aircraft will be left out of historical games because they would be overpowered.

Especially with such a small userbase, including non-intercompatible generations of aircraft is likely to worsen the existing problem of low turnout at events and decrease focus and unity in the community. Speaking of focus, I suggest that the existing hardware and code be first improved to an excellent quality before extending the project's scope. Extremely high-quality aircraft and events are likely to attract people and legitimize us more than a diversity of aircraft incorporated with a comparable level of effort.
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#12374035 May 13, 2016 at 03:10 AM
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I agree Snowy.
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